Copperas Gap Windmill

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Query about its location

The following query was posted to the site by Ray Peters on 15/10/01

I don't know if you can help but whilst researching my family tree I discovered that my ancestors owned Copperas Gap Mill somewhere near Portslade, Brighton from 1820 to 1882 when it was deemed unsafe and dismantled. Unfortunately I cannot find where it was and whether it was water or wind driven.

Details from the History of Portslade
I got my information from (History of Portslade) Chapter 7. The Peters Family. It reads:
Perhaps the most interesting connection is that with the windmill which used to stand in North Street. Before William and Francis ran the mill, Thomas Peters was there from 1820 until around 1832. William and Francis ran it together until around 1870 when Edwin Peters joined the family firm he and Francis were partners until about 1880 . Then Edwin continued on his own until 1882 when the mill was found to be unsafe and demolished.

A request for information
From the census I know my ancestors lived at Copperas Gap. Do you have any information at all. I am trying to find information, pictures, drawings, location.

This page was added on 22/03/2006.
Comments about this page
I came by your website by accident and I am glad I did. My mother came from Portslade and the windmill you refer to is of interest as three of her cousins were born in the cottage at the back of the mill, known as Wind Mill Cottage. My mother's aunt (her father's sister) gave birth to three daughters there, Joan, Mrytle Georgina, and Jessie, their name being Bridle, nee Browning, mother Ellen or as we all knew her as, Nell. My mother was born in Ellen Street, just up the road. I would love to hear more of the story.
By Cait O'Shea (09/03/2004)
Bridle is a fairly common name around Portslade. As far as I know there was a flour mill at the bottom of Church Road. I myself was born at 3 George Street in 1938. The man whose face is on the Player's cigarettes also lived in Ellen Street and I still remember him today. I have a photo taken of a street party there in 1937 and it clearly shows my mother and father with my older brother.
By Bob Carden (03/05/2004)
Yes Bob, you are right about the man on the Player's packet. My mother said that it was her friend's father. Don't know his name but I do know that she said he was paid a 3/6 (3 shillings and 6 pennies) one-off payment. And - NO royalties! Just think of the money he would have made! Bob, my brother Micheal was born in 1939 in Eastbrook Gardens and as I said my mother's name was Browning. Do you know any other Brownings as my grandfather had a few brothers and sisters? Also, do you know of the whereabouts of Joan Bridle - Father John, mother Cissie ?. And a Browning (female)who married a Landsdown - last known of in Mile Oak and whose daughter worked at Chubbs in Brighton. Don't suppose you can help can you? Look forwards to hearing from you.
By Cait (15/05/2004)
Bob, I also asked my brother about the flour mill. He said he dosn't remember that but he can remember the bakery - maybe that was it?
By Cait (22/05/2004)
Can you tell me what you know of the shop keeper that was murdered in North Street? My father told me that he was an elderly man who kept a sort of second hand shop and think it was three youths robbed him - he died but all they found was a "box of pennies" so my father told it.
By Cait (27/05/2004)
Can anyone give me information on the smuggling that went on? I was told that my grandfather's family had dogs that used to be put over board with wines etc. to swim ashore, whilst they made it to harbour only to be found with a clean boat. I was told it was documented in a book on Sussex smugglers.
By Cait (28/05/2004)
The elderly shopkeeper murdered in his shop in North Street, Portslade was known as 'Joey' Bedford. My father remembers his shop as being a secondhand/junk shop and believes two men were charged in connection with the incident.
By Jan Hamblett (08/05/2005)
Joseph (Joey) Bedford was 80 years old when attacked in his shop on the corner of Clarence Street & North Street, on 13th Nov 1933. He was discovered by PC Harry Peters and died the next day in Hove Hospital. One of two men arrested in Worthing for acting suspiciously (not knowing that Joey had died) admitted hitting an old man in Portslade. The two suspects were Frederick Willaim Parker, a 21 year old labourer who carried an unloaded revolver, and 26 year old fitter Albert Probert who had carried a tyre lever wrapped in a stocking. Parker admitted knocking down an old man in Portslade, Probert denied being at the scene. They had stolen around £6.00 in notes and coins from an old tin where Bedford kept his money. Both men were hanged for murder at Wandsworth Prison on 4th May 1934.
By Alan Phillips (14/05/2005)
My grandparents lived at no 2 Ellen Street, they were Richard and Eleanor Hersee, did anybody know their children Ivy, Lillian, Winifred and Richard. The story of the cigarette packet is fascinating.
By Rosalind Hersee (02/08/2005)
Re: Ellen Street. My mother's Grandparents lived at 14 Ellen Street. They were Thomas William Tullet (1862-1911) and his wife Emma Charlotte Goble (1863-1951). The family of Robert Woods (1856-?) lived at 10 Ellen Street and he was the face on the Players pack. His daughter Elizabeth Violet Woods (known as Bessie) married Frederick John Warman in 1929. Fred was my dad's mother's brother.
By Mandy Willard (09/03/2006)
Re: Ellen Street. Thomas Huntley Wood was my husband's grandfather. His mother's maiden name was Emily Florence Wood. A book called Portslade And Hove written by Judy Middleton has a lot of information written about him. I helped with some dates and photos to enable her to write about him. An old photo of Thomas his wife Rebecca and two of his sons Charlie and George Wood are on the front cover of this book. This photo was taken in their back garden of Ellen Street.
By Brenda Buck (06/06/2006)
My grandfather was William Peters, landlord of the Jolly Sailors pub. My mother was born at the Jolly Sailors in 1908 - the youngest of 15 children. My paternal grandfather was Charles Sleeman who owned the general store at the bottom of Church Road - now converted to a house. I believe the Peters were a very well-known family. Does anyone remember them?
By Jean Goodman (nee Sleeman) (07/08/2006)

My great grandfather was Thomas Huntley Wood. He was the inspiration behind the famous Navy Cut sailor made by Players and I have the photographs which prove it in my possession.

By David Thomas Wood (03/11/2006)

Message for Bob Carden. If I send you a photo can you find out who it is for me please. No one can identify her I know it was taken in a lane off of North Street. And but the way I found the Morley's of whom I was looking for. One the member of the Salvation Army is in Australia, one is Woodingdean and the eldest lives in Shelldale Crescent. You can reach me on catym_e@hotmail.com Non of my cousins know her - I was wondering if you could find out . There are a few more questions I would like answered such as the house number next door to the British Legion in Trafalgar Road please.

By Cáit (04/12/2006)

Hi Joan...you have been sitting on the bottom of this page for so long...Alfred and Leander Thorpe had about twelve children and his son, also Alfred, went on to have about twelve too...I remember going to their cottage when I was younger...sadly one of Alfred and Leander's young children drowned in Aldrington Basin in about 1915...at the time they were living as St. Aubyns Road, Fishersgate...would love to hear from anyone who can help with memories of this family...Alfred and Leander were my grandparents, who I never met, Leander may have been of Spanish descent and was well known in the area at the time but most of my mother's papers were stolen just before she died so I have no way of checking dates etc...we are not even sure if Leander was her real name...so please...this is a real request for help, would love to hear from anyone who can remember the family...many thanks

By Rosalind Hersee (07/04/2007)

From what I have read in the messages on this site, quite a lot of people lived in Ellen Street, Portslade. Would anyone remember a John Morley his mothers name was Frances Morley they lived at no. 6 Ellen Street. John married my mother her name was Eleanor Parsons she lived in East Street, Portslade.

By Pat Finneran (09/07/2007)

Joan, regarding your ancestor who lived in Wolsley Road, Portslade, my husband's mother (Violet Giddings) was born at 25 Wolsley Road, where her mother's (Edith Annie Shiers) married sister also lived (Elizabeth Stringer nee Shiers). They moved into 35 Wolsley Road after Edith married Violet's father (William Robert Giddings). Also living at number 35 was his mother Caroline. What number Wolsley Road did your ancestor live in? There is still a Giddings brother living who is altogether with it and I will ask him if he remembers anything.

By Nicola Merrifield (23/09/2007)

I'm trying to locate detail of my husband's grandfather to help to complete my daughter's history project. We have just received my husband's father's birth certificate which lists his father as Walter Harding born 1930 at 93 Ellen Street. His father was Frederick Allen Harding and we think he was born in/around 1909. He was married to Ellen Florence Harding formerly Gocher and he was a House Decorator (journeyman). If anyone can provide more details I would be very grateful and it is possible that the man on the Players packet is indeed my husbands grandfather Frederick Allen Harding.

By Tina Harding (17/10/2007)

My great-grandfather was William Peters of the Jolly Sailors Pub. My father Albert is the son of his son Albert. My father remembers the pub very well and also the fish and chip shop which his grandmother owned in North Street.

By Jean Matthew (23/01/2008)

To Joan (Thorpe) Greenup: I am sure I remember your husband Bert, if its the guy I am thinking about he was about 5ft 9in tall, very stockily built, dark long hair combed back, as I recall he had a sharp dark blue suit, and a black cumberband. At that time I think he was lodgeing in Buckler Street, Portslade, but I'm not 100% sure of that.

By Chris Goble (13/02/2008)

To Joan, regarding your search for the family Thorpe. There was a Mrs Thorpe who lived next door to us in Shaledale Road, number 38 about 1945 to 1960. I hope this helps.

By Eddie Mccabe (18/04/2008)

My granddad lived at 85 Station Road Portslade on Sea, his name was William Pratt. I'm trying to find any information about the family. William attend the Salvation Army Junior Soldiers Corp; he was born in 1895. If anyone has any information I would be very grateful.

By Diane Carpenter (06/07/2008)

Hi all, I was very interested to see the mention of 'caravans opposite Southwick power station' by Joan [Thorpe] Greenup. I have been researching my family history and have found that one line were Romany travellers, surname COLLINS. They are shown in the 1881 census as living in High Street Shoreham and by 1901 they had moved to Silverdale, 21 Fishersgate Terrace. The Eldest son, FRANK COLLINS, was living in a caravan at Albion Place with wife AMY COLLINS and daughter ROSINA, also in a caravan here are what appears to be grandparents FRANCIS and ANN COLLINS. The occupation given for the Males is Horse Dealer. Census records also show the STANLEY family living in a number of houses in William Street, Fishersgate in 1891-1901 and prior to this they were also a travelling family. Their occupations are given as hawkers, basketmakers, and peg makers. Also living at William St Cottages in 1891 is an elderly FRANCIS MILLS 80 with his son, also FRANCIS 54, and again prior to this they were travelling around the south of england. Sadly, other than census records, I have been unable to find any other record or mention of what appears to be a significant romany community that had chosen to settle in Fishersgate and Joan's comments appear to be the only acknowledgement of Romany connections to the area. I have checked what I have, and can find no person with the name Leander travelling with these families, I Know it's a long shot but if anyone can suggest a maiden name for Leander it may help.

By Charlie (26/09/2008)

To Joan, I hope you still check this thread from time to time as I think I have some news. Further to my last post, I went back and checked the records again and have found Alfred and Leander. 1901 15 William Street Fishersgate Southwick Sussex: Alfred J Thorpe (Head) b abt 1876 Surrey, Croydon (Hawker, Greengrocer)
Leander Graen (Boarder) b abt 1880 Surrey, Mitcham (Hawker, Flowers) Unity Green (Boarder) b abt 1899 Surrey, Mitcham
Noah Stanley (Lodger) b abt 1869 Hampshire, Southampton (Labourer, Stonebreaker). On the written 1901 census Alfred's surname is spelt Thorp and the electronic entry has the surname as Shoap? I have searched the Census records and found Alfred Thorpe living in Croydon Surrey in 1891 I cannot be 100% certain that this is him, but it is a very strong match and therefore highly likely. 1891 65 Forster Road Croydon Surrey: William Thorpe (Head) b abt 1849 Surrey, Walton on Thames (House Painter)
Ann Thorpe (Wife) b abt 1852 Ireland Emma Thorpe (Dau) b abt 1868 Surrey, Croydon (General Servant) Ellen Thorpe (Dau) b abt 1873 Surrey, Croydon (Domestic Servant) Alfred Thorpe (Son) b abt 1876 Surrey, Croydon (Errand Boy) Fred Thorpe (Son) b abt 1879 Surrey, Croydon. Leander is slightly more difficult, due to the misspelt surname. I went with Green first and found no strong matches, however I have found a Leander Hearne living in Wandsworth, London and her parent's occupations suggest that this could be her. 1891 54 Wardley Street Wandsworth London: Soloman Hearne (Head) b abt 1839 Not Known (Tinker) Eliza Hearne (Wife) B abt 1843 Not Known Job Hearne (Son) b abt 1869 Sussex (Hawker) Polly Hearne (Dau) b abt 1876 Sussex (Helps her Mother) Leander Hearne (Dau) b abt 1879 Surrey (Scholar) Mark Hearne (Son) b abt 1888 Surrey Daniel Hearne (Son) b abt 1890 Surrey. I hope this helps.

By Charlie (27/09/2008)

Hi Charlie, Chris etc., I have been away from researching for a year, and have just come across your kind information you found for me, thank you so much. Tomorrow I will settle down and try to sort matters out. I am really so very grateful for your help. Best wishes.

By Joan Greenup (nee Thorpe) (17/03/2009)

Hi Charlie and Joan: it's been a while since I looked at this section of this remarkable site - thus the late reply. I come from the Stanley family on my mother's side and they had a few houses in Fishersgate as I understand it and Noah Stanley, lodging with the Thorpes, would be my great uncle. My great grandmother, Phoebe Welch nee Stanley, was 'evicted' from the Romany family for marrying an outsider.

By Dave Phillips (17/03/2009)

It's quite possible I'm a descendant of Albert & Dolly. I really don't know too much about the family or its history I'm afraid. My father (Edward) I believe was the son of Albert & Dolly (Fuller?) and had 10 siblings (making 11 in all), so there's a few descendants about. I really don't know anything about the family before my grandparents - I was unsure that the Romany link was even true; even though I had heard that this was the case.  So your Albert could be the brother of my grandfather Albert - I never heard / saw any of my grandfather's relatives (that I can remember).

By (Another) Mr Thorpe (07/06/2009)

For Mr. Thorpe. I think we may be related. Was your grandfather Alfred Thorpe? If so I think your grandfather was my mother's brother and your grandmother, Dolly, was my father's cousin. Do you know Dolly's maiden name as I have so far drawn a blank on that side of the family as well. I only heard about the possible Romany connection two years ago and most of that has been anecdotal. However I think Alfred's parents are Alfred and Leander in the above census. Mum had a sister called Una which ties in with the baby mentioned above. I found Alfred and Leander again in the 1911 census but they appear not to have married. We did occasionally visit your grandmother when I was a child. She did a good line in home made wine I seem to remember.

By Rosalind Hersee (14/06/2009)

It's Dolly Fuller I believe, and they had 13 children I've recently discovered with the help of relatives. No knowledge of the wine I'm afraid. Also, their full names 'Alfred James Thorpe' and 'Dorothy Edith Fuller' might help you. Fairly certain on that but not 100%.

By Mr Thorpe (17/06/2009)

Hi Mr Thorpe. I have been tracing my husband Albert Thorpe's family history and have been quite lucky with a lot of kind help from others. I met Albert when he was living with the Fullers in Buckler Street and we used to visit Alf and Dolly in the old village and then up at Wickhurst Rise. I remember very clearly one son who was named Ted. I thought he was a painter (or builder) but cannot be sure. We kept in touch with Albert's brother Fred and visited in Bristol, also his sister Rose in Southwick. I last saw Alfred when he attended Albert's funeral in Worthing in 1978.  Albert and Alfred were builders and I used to travel with them round building sites looking for work. Dolly was a lovely lady - my children adored her - we have four sons and daughters. We also used to visit the eldest sister, Una. Albert was always definite about the Romany link. I must admit a photo showed Leander (Albert's mother) with very dark gypsy'ish looks. I understand she had an Irish gypsy father but that her husband Alfred was not. In the 1901 Census she is seen to be living with her daughter, Una, born in Mitcham, Surrey, as a lodger and her occupation is listed as flower seller, aged 21 years and the name Green. On several of her children's birth certificates, different names are shown. My husband was very fond and proud of his family. We used to meet them regularly in pubs in Portslade 50s / 60s.  As I have said, I have a lot of info - certificates etc - but am not well and unable to continue - maybe it's just as well. If brother Alfred's son, Edward (Ted), was your father, he was a very nice young man, very quiet.  Hope this helps.

By Joan Greenup (21/08/2009)

I have been tracing the Thorpe family tree for a Thorpe friend of mine and have managed to go back quite a way. Leander definitely comes from gypsy origin. I've had pleasure doing the tree and if anyone else would like the information that I have, I would be more than happy to pass it on. Please contact me at kaylewis70@btinternet.com

By Kay Lewis (20/09/2009)

How many Peters families lived in Portslade? I'm trying to locate the history of a Peters of Portslade called James Peters born about 1864/5. I just wonder if anyone here could possibly help because finding the name of his parents has been difficult. Please contact me at timehubusa@gmail.com

By Martin (11/12/2009)

This is a message for "Charlie" whose article was dated 26/9/2008. You mention that it would help research if had another surname for Leander, partner of Alfred Thorpe, was given. Checking on my husband's birth certificate I find her name was entered as "Gladwin".I wonder if you have anything which might help to prove what my husband told me about Leander living in caravans opposite the Southwick power station. He also showed me where it was, I think maybe it was before he was born in 1919. I do not do any research now, but just spotted your remark when I recaped the messages. It would be interesting to know, if anything does come up.

By joanne greenup (16/05/2010)

Much talk about the gypsies in Portslade connected to the Thorpe family. I wonder if the other family of gypsies would have any connection or knowledge for those searching for family member?. It was said that the Giles family were gypsies and they lived in the big house on the corner of the Old Village, opposite where once stood a large barn. I attended the girls school with Nancy, she had dark eyes and hair. It would be interesting if they did know the family? Is Mike Gobles the son of the ladies' hairdresser who had a shop in the old village? Is he still at the Mile Oak pub?

By Bonny Cother (17/05/2010)

I have just come across this site and was amazed to see some of you are talking about Leander Hearn who lived in Wandsworth in the census, she was my great aunt and was as you all thought - your gypsy connection. This for me is very exciting as I haven't been able to trace what happened to Leander and if this is her then with all the different surnames I now know why I would welcome any info on her and her children that you may have for my family tree and I can pass on more information on the rest of Leander's family to any one who would be interested. Thank you all.

By Pat (01/08/2010)

Hi Ann Gosh, this is a breakthrough. Good to hear from an actual relative of my grandmother although I haven't seen any proof yet that she is the same Leander Hearn, only a census entry in 1901 of Leander Green. That I am pretty sure is her as there is a Thorpe in the same house and that was the surname of my grandfather. Could you contact me please at sparkle8m8@aol.com. Look forward to hearing from you.

By Rosalind Hersee (06/08/2010)

How good to hear from you Pat. I left a message for you last night but it has not been printed so will try again. Leander appeared in the 1901 census in Southwick at the same address as Alfred Thorpe, which is the name of my grandfather so I'm pretty sure she is my grandmother. The name Hearn was introduced by one of the contributors but this is the only time I have come across it in relation to my Leander. I would love to hear from you so that we can establish whether our Leanders are one and the same.

By Rosalind Hersee (06/08/2010)

Hi Rosalind, sorry it's taken so long. I think I may have the link at last to your Grandmother Leander and my Great Aunt Leander being the same person. Will email you on your Sparkle address hope that's ok. Best wishes Pat

By Pat (24/10/2010)

I am researching my family tree and constantly get 'stuck' with my great-grandmother, Leander Thorpe (nee Green). I stumbled upon this wonderful (and very informative) site when trying to trace Leander through her Romany roots. I'm sure that some of the people posting messages are distant relatives of mine. My parents were Golder and Ivy Watson (nee Burtenshaw). My grandmother was Helene Burtenshaw (nee Thorpe). Alfred and Leander Thorpe were her parents. The Watsons, Burtenshaws and Leander all had homes in Wolseley Road, Portslade during the 40s. Leander died in 1947, the year before I was born. I've heard a lot about her over the years. I've been told she was a 'formidable' Romany woman, very tall and very attractive. I'm rather proud of my Romany ancestor and would love to know more about her. I clearly remember my great-uncles and aunts, Una (Unity), Maise, Gertie, Alf, Fred and Bert. I think there were more. I remember Alf and Dolly Thorpe. My brother and I often went with our mother to their house in Drove Road (and Wickhurst Rise) where Dolly would ply us with sweets - we were too young for her wine! I also remember meeting a Thorpe family at a wedding - they had come from Bristol. I will follow up on all the information posted on this site but would love to hear more and to know if anyone remembers the 'Watsons'. If anyone has an old photo of Leander they can scan into the site I would love to see it.

By Sandra Duke (Nee Watson) (04/03/2011)

Hi Sandra. My mother was the Gertie you mentioned. I was born in Worsley Road, no.62. Just joined this site - I can't believe the information on here - it's brilliant.  Hope you get in touch. Leander was my grandmother.

By Patricia Carlton (13/04/2011)

This is a good site, I have loads to write down from here about Linda Thorpe nee Gladwin. A Patricia Cartton on here just got in touch with me on Genes and we doing a tree. Linda was known as (Leander). Her sister Jane Hetty Gladwin is my G-grandmother. And their parents are Harriet Gladwin nee Cooper and George Gladwin. I lived on Mitcham Common in a tent and Linda was born in a tent on the common. My G-gran Jane Hetty Gladwins, Daughter of Harriet Potter nee Dollin is my nan.

By Julie Potter (26/05/2011)

Hi everyone, I made some mistakes on my last message here. Linda was my GG-Aunt. Her mother Harriet Gladwin nee' Cooper is my GG-Grandmother. Linda (Leander) sister Jane Hetty Gladwin is my G-gran. Jane's daughter Harriet Potter nee' Dollin is my nan.

By Julie (29/05/2011)

Hi Julie - as you have read here I am Leander's great-granddaughter. Her daughter Helene was my nan. You may want to log on to Rootschat to find all the info helpful people found for me- it's a free site. Just type in Leander Green / Thorpe and you'll find it. Leander was married twice so she was Green first. Good Luck

By Sandra Duke (Nee Watson) (29/05/2011)

Hi Sandra - I do go on Rootchat i will have a look.I'm on Genes as well and found most of my grandparents up to the 7 g-grandparents. They were all Romany. Lenader's mother and father as you see on my message on here are my GG-Harriet Cooper and George Gladwin. Their granddaughter Harriet Potter nee Dollin is my nan. A lot of my family are buried over in Queen's Road, Croydon and Mitcham. I've been going over Queen's a lot to find graves and take photos. Only 10 mins away. It's nice to know you are on here, and we are related. And most on here who are related, have deep Romany Blood. I'm hoping to see my cousin, if he can get our uncle's address in Blackpool, where my nan lived with her son, until she died few years back. Maybe he might have her photos, of her mother and Grandparents Cooper/Gladwin. Live in hope I say. I will look on Rootchat now. Thanks for your message.

By Julie Potter (30/05/2011)

My late father, born Portslade 31st May 1919- Albert E Thorpe.

By Stephen Thorpe (05/06/2012)

http://www.shorehambysea.com/shoreham-historical-photos/19th-and-20th-century-paintings-of-shoreham-by-sea/shoreham-history-photo-collection/19th-and-20th-century-paintings-of-shoreham/b110-722.html#joomimg. On this Shoreham history website are paintings of various coastal places in the vicinity and include two Victorian paintings of windmills - one shows a harvest with 3 windmills in the background, around Portslade and the other shows one near the Hangleton Estate on the coast - they may both show Copperas Windmill, albeit very small details, but they give the rough location and surrounding environs.

By M. Funnell (14/07/2012)

To Ray Peters: Hi Ray, if you look at the 1863 OS map on www.old-maps.co.uk at the south portslade area, to the west - which would be at the top of the hill - is Mill Road (Fishersgate) and at the north end is marked windmill. Could this have been the Cooperas Gap Mill? Logically a windmill would have been at the top of a hill and not in a valley i.e. Church Rd, and that area is probably the highest place near the old Cooperas Gap. Mill Rd is still there but I think there is an industrial estate at the mill site now. Hope this may help. p.s. My dad used to own Elm Garage at the bottom of Church Rd and we were always told that the building used to be a blacksmiths shop.

By jeff elmes (05/10/2012)

The blacksmith that worked in the Forge at the corner of North Street and Church Road was James Nutley (my uncle), who lived in Wolseley Road.

By Sylvia Whittington (07/02/2013)

To add to Jeff Elmes piece above, the Mill Rd mill was a cement mill; the Copperas Gap mill was on the rising ground above Church Rd just north of North St taking advantage of the SW winds off the Channel. The flour mill refered to by Bob Carden earlier was the Britannia Mill [not a windmill] at the foot of Church Rd where the industrial units are now, I think it was sold off in 1936 and subsequently demolished.

By Geoffrey Mead (08/02/2013)

A MESSAGE TO STEPHEN THORPE, HI STEPHEN HOPE YOU PICK UP THIS MESSAGE MY MOTHER WAS YOUR FATHERS SISTER HER NAME WAS GERTRUDE THORPE THE YOUNGEST OF THE THORPE CHILDREN, REGARDS PATRICIA.

By PATRICIA (23/03/2013)

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