Queen's Park

The Pepperpot - ideas on a date?

By Eric Feast

While in the process of moving, I came across this photo of the Pepper Pot/Box. Unfortunately there is no mention of a date on the photo.  Can anyone suggest when it might have been taken? Was this possibly the laying down of tramlines in the foreground?

Photo:The 'Pepper Pot' at Queen's Park

The 'Pepper Pot' at Queen's Park

From the private collection of Eric Feast

This page was added on 22/07/2007.
Comments about this page

Taking a further look at the photo, I don't think they could have been laying tram lines. The gentleman in the snap would have been standing at the top of the road that ran from the Pepper Box down past the Xaverian College to East or West Drive, and Queens Park. Queens Park Road ran from the bottom left hand corner, passing to the left of the Pepper Box and the tall steeped roof church. Opposite the church to the left was the top of Islingword Road, and the corner building was eventually the Beaufort Public House.

By Eric Feast (22/07/2007)

This may have been taken when the houses at the top of the south-west side of Tower Road were being built (early 1920s?), or at least when the land opposite the Xavierian College was being cleared.

By David Fisher (25/07/2007)

In the absence of any overhead wires, poles or a tram shelter, I cannot see this picture being later than 1901 - with the park opened in 1892, a short span to narrow down? The roadway does not lend itself (to me) to the idea that they are laying tracks either. Cannot zoom in on those people but styles of dress would maybe help those who know more. I would agree that the houses to south-west were not built at that time and I'm curious what was on that big sign board facing the other way, was it the builder's sign? When were these completed? This is photo number 19, but of whose series, of maybe a postcard publisher?

By Gordon Dinnage - Transport/Picture Publisher (29/07/2007)

Hi, I have a good idea that these men are erecting the trolley bus cables, don't know the date but I used to catch the trolley bus just about that point in 1945. Perhaps this helps?

By Terry (09/02/2008)

The house behind the Pepper Pot is fully constructed dating it post 1900. The house south appear not to be however. This suggests pre 1905. So it's between 1900 and 1905 for me!

By Ian Fennell (29/07/2008)

Furthermore to my earlier comment of 29/07/2007, trying to pin point that photo date: the tram routes 'Q' & 'C' past the Pepper Pot in Queen's Park Road then along Egremont Place to terminate by St James's Street at Upper Rock Gardens, actually opened on Thursday February 6th 1902, so this helps define this photo to be post 1900 and pre 1902. Although with later variations to actual tram services after this split between Race Hill and Upper Rock Gardens, all tram routes were fully up and running properly by July 1904 when the system was complete with its 50 cars at that point in its history, including the unused short section laid to the Hove boundary at Goldsmid Road.

By Gordon Dinnage Transport/Picture Publisher (15/08/2008)

If you look at the bottom right hand corner of the picture, it looks like a date of 1919.

By John Eaton (27/04/2010)

Re John Eaton's comment above, it says 'No 19' not 1919.

By Paul Moorhouse (25/07/2010)

Yes, I think this is construction work - but more precisely, I suspect, demolition. If you zoom in you can see the brickwork. It is in the wrong place for trams or trolleybusses: I suspect this is work connected with improving access to the park via Tower Road. The bearing on St Luke's Church gives the position exactly.

By John Barber (22/02/2013)

I lived in the 2nd house along from the Beaufort pub in the 1970's and 80's. I remember the Pepper Pot being a public toilet then. The area to the right of the photo was a steep bank of grass. Does anyone know if that was part of the Kemptown railway? We used to play on it as children, I am sure it was then made into flats.

By Julie Bowring (18/03/2013)

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